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In the criminal justice system, sexually
based offenses are considered

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especially heinous.

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In New York City, the dedicated
detectives who investigate these vicious

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felonies are members of an elite squad
known as the Special Victims Unit.

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These are their stories.

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I am so sorry.

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Take it easy. You made it. You made it.

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Sam. Excuse me, can I get a glass of
wine here?

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Did you hear from your mother? Yeah, the
last report from Staten Island.

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The kids are making popcorn. They're
watching movies that they probably

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shouldn't be watching, but everybody's
happy.

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Thank you.

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Did Liv keep you later?

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No, she had to kick me out. I lost track
of time.

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I'm really sorry.

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No, no, relax, relax.

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Sounds to me like you're finally back on
a job that makes you happy.

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I am.

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I'm happy.

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It's weird.

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Why is that weird? I don't know. I guess
I'm just used to hopping around

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different jobs, and this feels
permanent.

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Enjoy it.

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Be bored. Just for a minute.

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Here. Happy second anniversary.

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Silence is almost eerie. You hear me
complaining?

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Hey, I'll take a shower.

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Don't you go anywhere.

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Drop. Lower the gun. Drop it or I'll
shoot. Shooting counts the crease. You

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Sergeant Rollins.

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It's okay.

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It's okay.

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Put her on the ground.

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Kick it to me. There's still time to get
out of this. Do it!

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I said to me! Just forget about the gun.

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Just tell us what you want.

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Back up.

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He walks over.

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Slow.

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You time up. We're not doing that. I'm
in control!

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Do it!

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Unravel it.

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Unravel it!

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Don't move!

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Go. Go.

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Amanda, anything?

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Not yet, but we have every cop in the
city on the lookout. Just make sure that

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they have his full description.

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He was white, young, 20s probably. He
had medium build. He had brown eyes.

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Amanda, we got it. Why don't you have a
seat? Okay.

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Look, is there anything at all familiar
about him? Did you, the sound of his

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voice, a familiar scent?

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We know him. We didn't recognize him,
but he sure as hell knew who we were.

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Yeah, he knew our names.

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And he knew how to break in. He was
waiting here for us, Liv. Did he say

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anything that gives us motive? Anything?

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Oh, he wanted us both dead.

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Okay, he didn't need to say it. And the
way he referred to us, Sergeant and

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Counselor, like, I know that we're
looking at a targeted attack, but I

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could be revenge.

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I'm sending a protective detail, okay,
to Staten Island for your kids and your

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parents. And I'm putting you two in a
hotel until we know more.

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Good. It could have been.

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Really, really bad. It wasn't because
you kept your head about you and you

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protected yourself. And you are safe and
your children are safe. We're going to

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get them. I want a patrol car on every
block a mile out until we say otherwise.

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Hey, I just wanted to see with my own
eyes that you're all right. We're fine.

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Thank you. The department is devoting
every available resource to that. We

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be meticulous and swift.

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My personal number.

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Call anytime.

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Appreciate it, Chief.

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Yeah.

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You all right?

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You want the honest answer?

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Me neither.

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When it happens to one of us, it happens
to all of us. Yeah.

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I'm here to support you, whatever you
need.

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Well, I want...

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It's for you to take the lead on this.
And before you answer... Wow.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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She'll need to be modified while the
shooting's being reviewed. Of course.

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Give up her gun, which I imagine will go
over like a leprechaun. She understands

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protocol. Phil, if you need me to be the
bad guy, I'll take the hit.

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And tell her I won't listen to reason.

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I appreciate that.

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I'll handle it. Sure.

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and I'll get her on top of the list for
the psychic vow.

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You just find who did that.

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I will.

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Hey, what did we get from Winnetha?
Neighbors are bust.

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He heard the guy in the fire escape.

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He couldn't get a good look.

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But the Amazon driver did. Said that he
saw a man in a COVID mask get into a

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blue Honda.

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Did we get a license plate? No. Let me
show you why.

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The plate's got some kind of cover on
it. The guy knows what he's doing.

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too far away to ID the driver, but the
perp gets into the passenger side.

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Means that he had an accomplice. Did any
other cameras pick this up? No, none

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better than this. We'll put out an APB
on what we got. Okay, did we get

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back from the lab? No prints on the cord
that was left behind, but they're

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pushing his blood through CODIS.

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Hey, where's Ross?

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So, tell me you want to be alone without
telling me you want to be alone. I just

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needed to focus.

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Yeah, focus on your old cases.

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I've got it narrowed down.

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Based on what? Motive and recent
releases.

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There's Robert Watson. He was a fire
escape peeping Tom. We collared a few

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ago for the third time. Somehow he made
bail.

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Michael Simmons, a rapist who was
escalating when I arrested him 10 years

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He was released last month. Then we got
Bruce Ingram.

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He threatened to kill Carisi after his
arraignment.

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He was just found not guilty in trial. I
remember him. He had a bogus alibi, but

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then DNA exonerated him in the final
hour. Could still hold a grudge. So I

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figured I'll run him down, rule him out
with their voices.

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Okay. So we knew that the review of the
shooting would come back clean. Yeah.

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But still need to clear psych.

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Yeah, but look, Bruno's out for a
funeral. We're down a man. So I just

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could... Figured what? You figured it?

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Just like you skipped that part?

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No, that's just not good for anyone.
Plus, Tynan is expediting your

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Great. Yeah. All right, so the quicker
it's done, the better. Yeah, the quicker

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you talk to someone, the better.

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Because if you don't, it'll only get
worse.

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In the meantime, I'll have Curry and
Griffin pay these three a visit.

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I'll talk to my attorney.

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Not the best way to start, Bruce. But
they found me not guilty. Can't you

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just leave me alone? This isn't about
that case. It's about Assistant District

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Attorney Carisi.

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Never heard of him. No?

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Well, he's the prosecutor that you
threatened to kill after your

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Does that not ring any bells?

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What about him? He and his wife were
attacked last night.

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It's got nothing to do with me.

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So threatening to kill him was, what, a
hilarious joke?

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I was mad.

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Cops accused me of hurting that girl.

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That prosecutor tried to seal the deal.
He ruined my life. Sounds like motive.

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I already got my DNA.

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Yeah, we do.

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But if you want me out of your hair
faster, give me a voice reporting and an

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alibi.

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I was here working.

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And I did my time. Don't I get a second
chance?

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Yeah, looks like you're living it.

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Only place that would hire me.

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Better than being locked up with some
caged animal.

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Ten years.

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It's a long time.

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Maybe long enough to want Sergeant
Rollins dead.

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She's dead? No.

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But someone tried.

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It looks like that doesn't surprise you.

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I didn't do it.

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But you hear things on the inside. I'm
not the only one she put away.

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Anyone who's capable of doing this?

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I might be willing to say. Hey, you like
being out of the cage, right?

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Let's keep it that way. Give me names.

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And your voice.

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Shoot and Counselor Carisi dies,
Sergeant Rollins.

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It's not them. Are you sure? No, I'm
positive.

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Anything on the names that Simmons gave
us? Christian, check them out. They're

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all still in prison.

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Okay. And did we talk to Robert Watson?

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Talked to his parole officer.

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Watson was in central booking at the
time of the attack.

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Still nothing on the blue Honda? Not
yet.

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I mean, my guess is they either ditched
it or they're laying low somewhere.

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Or they uncovered the place and they're
halfway to the Midwest right now and we

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are back to square one.

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Okay, Perp's blood came back from the
lab.

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Match, an attempted murder from a week
ago in Brooklyn.

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Vic's name, Diana Vitale, 62.

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Neighbor found her tied up with a cord,
multiple... Wait, I know that name.

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Diana Vitale, she's a court reporter.
She's retired now, but she worked a lot

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trials with Carisi.

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Brooklyn homicide, get any leads?

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Not yet, no, but Vitale survived.

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He's still in the hospital. Great, I'll
talk to her.

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I can... Amanda, you still need to get
to your psych eval.

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You gotta do it.

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Yeah.

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Diana Vitale.

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A stab in the back that led to
paralysis.

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Two more to the abdomen, one of which
punctured her stomach. Led to sepsis. We

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couldn't control.

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She was one of yours?

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She is now.

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Ready, Mandy?

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You come out of retirement just for me?

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I still fill in from time to time.

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Especially at Olivia's request.

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Yeah, so I'm sleeping fine.

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There's no insomnia, no nightmares.

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Any re -experiencing?

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A little.

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What crosses your mind?

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What I would have done differently. What
could have happened if my kids were

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home. When you go to that place, how do
you feel?

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Angry.

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powerless. But after that, I'm, you
know, I feel focused.

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So I've heard Benson tells me you've hit
the ground running.

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What else did she tell you? She told me
you returned recently to SVU.

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Before that, a stint at Intel, a
professor at Fordham.

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You like to move around.

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I don't see how that's relevant.

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I'm not trying to trick you, Amanda.

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You and I both know that you'll come up
with a good answer for every question

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that I ask you. But what you should also
know is that all I want out of this is

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for you to be honest.

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So, why don't you like to stay put?

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I guess it comes from how I grew up.

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Abusive father, addicted sister.

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That must be a very unsettling way to
grow up.

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Yeah, you're always waiting for the shoe
to drop.

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Always brace for impact.

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I got out of there as quick as I could.

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Still, it couldn't have been easy.

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Must have felt like you had no control
over your life.

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Like you were powerless.

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Yeah.

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It's easy to equate movement...

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with survival.

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Evolutionarily, it makes sense.

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Motion has always meant life. If you
stay still, we get left behind.

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I guess I don't like being still then.

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Then I'd like to give you a little
advice.

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After I clear you and you return to the
field and you find the man who did this,

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what I would like for you to do is to
slow down.

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What else do we know about Diana Vitale?
Not much. Retired last year, widowed,

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no kids, no known enemies.

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Aside from the dozens of scumbags she
reported on the court she shared with

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Carisi. And me.

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So there's 82 cases where Vitale,
Carisi, and I intersect.

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Okay, any stick out? I'm narrowing it
down, but I opened it up to ViCap, and I

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got it hit in Queens. Julia Pratt,
right? She, um...

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Just 20. Same M .O., the break -in and
wait. She was tied up with a black

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cordon. She was murdered in her
apartment building with a knife two

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Any connection to law enforcement?

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Not in VICAP, but her sister, Rose, is
in Astoria. She might be able to tell us

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more. Okay. You two stay on Diana
Vitale.

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Phones, e -mails. See what you can dig
up.

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Okay.

246
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How'd it go with Wong?

247
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Fine. He cleared me. Yeah, I know. He,
uh... I talked to him.

248
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You checking up on me?

249
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Yes, Amanda, I am.

250
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Same way you would do if it were me.

251
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Captain, dispatch called about a white
male at an urgent care. Nurse said it's

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gunshot wound, left shoulder.

253
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Change of plan.

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Head to the urgent care.

255
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He came in dodgy, aggressive with my
receptionist. What did he say had

256
00:16:20,070 --> 00:16:20,619
to him?

257
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Said he was working construction.

258
00:16:21,940 --> 00:16:25,640
Said someone clipped him with a nail
gun. But I took one look at it, and I

259
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that it was a bullet.

260
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They tried to cut it out themselves.
They tried to clean it. Who is they?

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He was with a woman, white, brown hair.

262
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She looked strung out.

263
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,780
Good. We are going to need the footage
from those cameras.

264
00:16:38,260 --> 00:16:41,040
They don't work, but I did see them
drive off.

265
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Blue Honda?

266
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,380
Yeah. Caught the first few digits of the
license plate.

267
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My sister lit up.

268
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Every room she walked into, I still
can't understand who would want to hurt

269
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I'm so sorry, Rose.

270
00:16:56,610 --> 00:16:58,810
We just have a few more questions for
you, okay?

271
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We understand that Julia worked in
fashion. Is that right?

272
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She went to FIT.

273
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Her internship gave her a job after she
graduated.

274
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Was there ever a time that she explored
law enforcement?

275
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Law enforcement?

276
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No.

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Why?

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Because the man who hurt her may have
been targeting the justice system, and

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we're trying to figure out if Julia had
some other connection to him.

280
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Our aunt is a judge.

281
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She took us in after our mom walked out,
became our legal guardian, retired to

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Florida in May.

283
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,960
Your aunt is Judge Anita Wright?

284
00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:52,390
Diana Vitale, me, Carisi. There's 82
overlapping cases, but only five

285
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Judge Anita Wright.

286
00:17:53,550 --> 00:17:56,250
So it could have been the defendant in
any one of those cases. No, no, I know

287
00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:57,350
who it is.

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00:17:58,910 --> 00:18:02,010
Henry Messner. We first encountered him
in 2013.

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He was abusing his little sister, Ruby.
Yeah, so he was released from juvenile

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detention in 2021.

291
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He got out, he raped a college student,
and then...

292
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He murdered his family.

293
00:18:12,220 --> 00:18:13,300
Yeah, I remember this case.

294
00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,160
Rollins saved his sister after he took
her hostage. And after we arrested

295
00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:19,600
he stabbed Carisi in a competency
hearing.

296
00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,140
This guy's not still just walking around
out there. No, no, no. He stood trial.

297
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,840
He's five years into his 60s, thanks.
But that doesn't mean he's not still

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pulling the strings. And to find out
how, we need to go talk to him.

299
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Maybe not.

300
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Tyrone found the blue Honda based on the
partial plate. It belongs to an 18

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-year -old with a rap sheet for drug
possession.

302
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,400
We know her?

303
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000
That's Henry Sifter.

304
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That's Ruby Messner.

305
00:18:59,180 --> 00:19:00,760
Our son moved to California.

306
00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:03,140
That's when we got the idea to foster.

307
00:19:04,460 --> 00:19:07,700
Ruby was placed with us five years ago.

308
00:19:08,060 --> 00:19:09,500
She hardly spoke at first.

309
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But she had what she needed.

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A bed, food.

311
00:19:14,140 --> 00:19:17,740
We tried to love her. Thought she'd be
okay for a while. Beat the odds.

312
00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:20,420
And then she started having problems?

313
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School called every other day.

314
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,880
Crates slipping, running away.

315
00:19:25,220 --> 00:19:26,900
Kept finding pills under her mattress.

316
00:19:27,140 --> 00:19:30,640
We called her social worker, and they
put her into rehab for a month.

317
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,520
But things only got worse.

318
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Was Ruby ever violent?

319
00:19:37,060 --> 00:19:38,220
Only with herself.

320
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,460
She cut her arms so deep, it was just
awful.

321
00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:46,070
After Ruby turned 18, got herself
arrested for drugs.

322
00:19:46,990 --> 00:19:47,990
That was enough.

323
00:19:49,090 --> 00:19:51,830
I told her she had to leave, and I'm not
sorry I did.

324
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:53,830
It was the right thing.

325
00:19:56,510 --> 00:20:01,850
Do you have any idea where she might be
or who she might be with?

326
00:20:02,110 --> 00:20:03,270
My guess is with her boyfriend.

327
00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:04,609
What's his name?

328
00:20:04,610 --> 00:20:05,610
Philip something.

329
00:20:06,050 --> 00:20:10,110
We never met him. She was with him when
she called begging for money a few weeks

330
00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:11,490
ago. Heard her talking to him.

331
00:20:11,770 --> 00:20:14,790
The number we have for Ruby traces back
to this address, but it went dead months

332
00:20:14,790 --> 00:20:16,730
ago. It wasn't her phone she called
from.

333
00:20:17,470 --> 00:20:21,090
We still have the number. I tried it a
few times.

334
00:20:21,330 --> 00:20:22,570
Ruby never picks up.

335
00:20:24,690 --> 00:20:28,810
Tara was looking into this number that
Ruby called from. Hopefully it'll tell

336
00:20:28,810 --> 00:20:32,730
something about whoever this Philip is.
It won't tell us about his connection to

337
00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:36,110
Henry. We should be having things right
now. So, Amanda, I haven't made a

338
00:20:36,110 --> 00:20:38,970
decision about whether talking to Henry
is the best idea.

339
00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:40,330
Well, it's all we have.

340
00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:45,390
Besides the phone number. And we don't
know if the killing spree is over yet.

341
00:20:45,390 --> 00:20:46,390
But we do know Henry.

342
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:51,310
And we know that he'd love nothing more
than to string us along and play games,

343
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:54,910
whether he knows something or not. It's
no coincidence that his sister is the

344
00:20:54,910 --> 00:20:55,910
getaway driver.

345
00:20:56,050 --> 00:20:58,210
And Henry can play games all he wants.

346
00:20:58,490 --> 00:21:02,330
But if he knows something, I'll be able
to tell just by looking at him. I know

347
00:21:02,330 --> 00:21:03,330
you would.

348
00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:05,350
But I would too.

349
00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:09,930
And I'll be going to Sing Sing.

350
00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:17,480
Henry hasn't caused any problems.

351
00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:22,240
Was he close with anyone? Maybe a guard
or an inmate who's been released

352
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:28,060
recently? Not that I know of. Thank you.
And what about his communication with

353
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:28,939
the outside?

354
00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:32,520
Nothing in his incoming mail to alert
our staff and nothing outgoing.

355
00:21:32,860 --> 00:21:36,220
So he hasn't made any calls lately or
had any visitors?

356
00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:41,070
No. His last visit was a year ago. His
sister, Ruby Mesner.

357
00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:43,690
Oh. You know what they talked about?

358
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:46,170
No, there's not much in the transcript.

359
00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:50,090
The guards had to pull her out of the
room pretty quick.

360
00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:51,490
Why's that?

361
00:21:51,690 --> 00:21:53,230
Because she tried to attack him.

362
00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:10,420
Have a seat, Henry.

363
00:22:13,340 --> 00:22:14,720
You look happy to see me.

364
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,740
It's been a long time since I had any
visitors.

365
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,240
Well, I heard that you've actually
adjusted quite well.

366
00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:27,100
No disciplinary measures, no issues with
other inmates.

367
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,480
We'll probably die in here.

368
00:22:29,780 --> 00:22:31,280
Shouldn't I be making the most of it?

369
00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:35,900
Well, that depends on what that means to
you.

370
00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:38,060
I think it means reform.

371
00:22:40,889 --> 00:22:41,889
Rehabilitation. Responsibility.

372
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:43,130
For what you did to your family.

373
00:22:45,390 --> 00:22:46,810
For what you did to Ruby.

374
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:51,130
I heard that she actually came to visit
you a while back.

375
00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:55,850
So, things got a little... a little
dicey.

376
00:22:57,410 --> 00:22:59,230
I don't think you came here about my
sister.

377
00:23:00,710 --> 00:23:02,510
I think you're here about something
else.

378
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:08,070
Why do you think I'm here?

379
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,360
Gotta say, I'm surprised that you're the
one coming to see me.

380
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,620
Were you expecting someone else?

381
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,520
I always had a soft spot for Detective
Rollins. I remember that.

382
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,860
Well, she's actually a sergeant now.

383
00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:25,460
Good for her.

384
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,060
And I heard she's married.

385
00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:28,940
What's his name?

386
00:23:29,940 --> 00:23:30,940
Lawyer. Carisi.

387
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,220
Tell them both I said hello. I will.

388
00:23:36,580 --> 00:23:38,040
After I tell them that I was right.

389
00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:40,450
Right about what?

390
00:23:42,770 --> 00:23:45,010
That talking to you was a waste of time.

391
00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:53,470
Maybe I'm just talking to the wrong
person. You know, Sergeant Rollins is

392
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:54,730
I'm not here to negotiate, Henry.

393
00:23:55,210 --> 00:23:57,290
Well, then I guess we're both walking
away empty -handed.

394
00:23:58,370 --> 00:23:59,490
You want to know what I think?

395
00:24:01,450 --> 00:24:04,050
I think you've got nothing to say.

396
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,000
Goodbye, Henry.

397
00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:23,640
Hey. I was just in the neighborhood. I
had to, um, pick up some stuff.

398
00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:25,380
Yeah? Huh?

399
00:24:25,620 --> 00:24:26,620
What stuff?

400
00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:29,540
All right, sue me. Look, I'm just
checking in on you.

401
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,780
Listen, this, uh, this Henry Mesner
thing. Yeah, Benson thinks he's

402
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:35,779
She won't let me go in.

403
00:24:35,780 --> 00:24:36,780
Yeah, well, maybe she's got a point.

404
00:24:37,580 --> 00:24:41,440
Look, at best, he's full of it. At
worst, he's not. He could be dangerous.

405
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,380
you saying that as the ADA or as my
husband?

406
00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:47,600
I'm saying it as both. Okay, I
appreciate it. But right now, me going

407
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,160
to Henry might be the only way we catch
the guy that did this to us.

408
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,280
What is it?

409
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,600
Terror trace the number that we're going
to answer a call from.

410
00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:56,100
It's Philip Wingate.

411
00:24:56,380 --> 00:24:57,380
He's got an address.

412
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,440
YPD!

413
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:02,080
Go, go, go, go, go!

414
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:04,500
Philip Wingate and YPD, we have a
warrant!

415
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,440
Pushing up!

416
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:12,500
Clear.

417
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,280
Clear!

418
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:53,330
These are the names of the victims.

419
00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:54,550
Yeah.

420
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:58,050
Public court records on Henry's cases,
news articles about him.

421
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:59,250
They're moving upstairs.

422
00:25:59,410 --> 00:26:00,810
Bedroom door, ready to breach.

423
00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:10,230
NYPD, coming in.

424
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:24,990
Ruby?

425
00:26:29,650 --> 00:26:31,130
Ruby, where is Philip?

426
00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:52,450
Philip Wingate.

427
00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:55,890
28, parents are deceased, and he's lived
with his grandmother since he was

428
00:26:55,890 --> 00:26:57,350
three. Spotty employment records.

429
00:26:57,550 --> 00:27:01,030
He was fired from his last job six
months ago, right around the time his

430
00:27:01,030 --> 00:27:04,750
died and left him the townhouse. No
criminal records. Only juvenile, which

431
00:27:04,750 --> 00:27:06,130
why his DNA wasn't in the system.

432
00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:08,850
When Philip was 12, he abused a younger
cousin.

433
00:27:09,070 --> 00:27:11,790
Guy had a thing for hunting squirrels in
Central Park.

434
00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:13,390
Checked all the boxes.

435
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:18,970
So what did we learn from these
journals? Guy is... Very prolific. He

436
00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:23,330
victims' names over and over and over
again with what seems like either poetry

437
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:24,330
or gibberish.

438
00:27:24,530 --> 00:27:27,110
A lot of writing about Henry. I mean,
he's obviously obsessed.

439
00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:31,290
But it doesn't explain how they met or
whether Henry put Philip up to this. And

440
00:27:31,290 --> 00:27:34,750
nothing that indicates where he's now or
where he's headed next. There's over a

441
00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:38,490
dozen of these things we're still
sorting through. I say we just ask her.

442
00:27:55,230 --> 00:27:56,290
Yeah, we do.

443
00:27:57,130 --> 00:28:00,770
We helped you out a long time ago, and
we might be able to help you out now if

444
00:28:00,770 --> 00:28:02,010
you're willing to talk to us.

445
00:28:02,290 --> 00:28:06,250
I don't know where Phillip is. Yeah, but
you do know how this whole thing

446
00:28:06,250 --> 00:28:07,270
started, don't you, Ruby?

447
00:28:08,670 --> 00:28:10,610
We spoke with your foster parents.

448
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:12,350
Care about me?

449
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:14,590
I think they tried to.

450
00:28:16,390 --> 00:28:20,590
But, look, after everything that you've
gone through, I certainly understand how

451
00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:24,430
it feels like nobody cares, but that's
not true.

452
00:28:25,469 --> 00:28:31,750
We care, and we'd like to help you, but
we need for you to be honest with us for

453
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:32,729
us to do that.

454
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:33,730
Can you do that?

455
00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:38,530
So why don't you tell us about Philip?

456
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:40,610
How did you two meet?

457
00:28:41,410 --> 00:28:44,570
He found me a few months ago.

458
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:47,610
He wanted to take care of me.

459
00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:50,770
At first it was fine.

460
00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:53,350
He didn't really want anything from me.

461
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,660
Until he started asking questions.

462
00:28:57,020 --> 00:28:58,020
About Henry?

463
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,000
Yeah.

464
00:29:00,980 --> 00:29:05,540
It was like, how much I remember from
when he hurt me.

465
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,960
Did Philip know Henry?

466
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,080
No.

467
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,860
No, no. He said he heard about him on a
podcast or the news or something.

468
00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:17,280
Ruby, why is Philip doing this?

469
00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:18,580
I don't know.

470
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,240
He would say things. I didn't know what
they meant. Well, what kind of thing?

471
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,220
He was, like, he was, like, in service
of Henry.

472
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,560
He was, like, wanted to be close to him.

473
00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:35,560
So that's why he thought you out, huh?

474
00:29:38,020 --> 00:29:40,780
Once he did, I couldn't escape.

475
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,540
So you just went along with him?

476
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:51,880
You waited while he murdered those
people?

477
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,880
And you drove the getaway car? Philip
was going to kill me. What was I

478
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,020
to do? I don't go to the cop.

479
00:29:58,420 --> 00:29:59,420
Call us.

480
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Get out of there.

481
00:30:01,620 --> 00:30:07,740
And instead, you helped him kill those
people and come after me, my family. He

482
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:10,680
just told me to drive. I didn't know
what he was doing. Yeah, you don't know

483
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,080
whole lot, do you, Ruby? Like where
Philip is? You don't know that? I'm

484
00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:16,440
Oh, I don't believe you, Ruby.

485
00:30:16,820 --> 00:30:17,820
I don't.

486
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,580
I think you're protecting Phillip and
your brother.

487
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,000
That's enough. You know what? I saved
your life. But you didn't. So do I.

488
00:30:25,460 --> 00:30:26,660
We're done here.

489
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:29,320
Wrong. Now.

490
00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:37,420
Are you kidding me? Yeah. What was that?

491
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:39,960
You need to cool down. Cool down?

492
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,980
We need her to talk. Yes, and in her
current state, I'm not sure that she can

493
00:30:44,980 --> 00:30:47,340
tell us much more. Who cares about her
current state?

494
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:51,440
There's a murderer out there, Liv, and
she's involved. I care about her current

495
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,820
state, and so should you. After
everything that that girl's been

496
00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:59,000
helped Philip. And now we don't know
whether Henry's behind her. Henry is

497
00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:59,879
playing us.

498
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,740
And she just about confirmed that. All
that guy wants is your attention.

499
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Yeah, well, he has it. You know, and I
could use that if you'd let me go talk

500
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,380
him. Because I'm trying to protect you.
I don't need your protection.

501
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:12,480
I need you to trust me.

502
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:15,980
That's not what this is about. Then why
did you take me out of the room? Because

503
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:16,980
you're not yourself.

504
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,280
That girl needs our help, not an
interrogation.

505
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:26,560
She is a victim of both Henry and
Philip, and quite frankly, so are you.

506
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,640
God. You never turn it off. What does
that mean? It means not everyone

507
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,840
your empathy, Olivia.

508
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:44,960
I can't have you on this case anymore,
Amanda.

509
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,160
You're off.

510
00:32:29,420 --> 00:32:32,280
I had a feeling you'd come. You asked
for me, didn't you?

511
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:35,000
Do you remember the last thing you said
to me?

512
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:38,620
I'm surprised if you do, considering how
drugged up you were.

513
00:32:39,020 --> 00:32:43,220
If you ever go after anyone in my family
again, it'll be your last day on Earth.

514
00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:44,940
Is that why you came?

515
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,100
To kill you?

516
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,180
No. You can't do that until you know it
was me or not.

517
00:32:52,020 --> 00:32:53,140
I know who it is.

518
00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:56,560
Why I'm here is to see if you do.

519
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,320
You want to know if I recognize them?

520
00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:08,540
I know you do. These are all people that
helped put you away and the person

521
00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:12,640
who's going after them. Henry, I got to
tell you, I'm pretty good at it.

522
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:20,160
This person is smart, organized, like
they're on a mission.

523
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,920
It's your sister, Henry.

524
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,280
It's Ruby.

525
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,360
Ruby didn't do any of this. She's not
capable.

526
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:37,620
You sure about that?

527
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:38,700
Are you dumb?

528
00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:41,020
She's weak, pathetic.

529
00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:42,239
She's a victim.

530
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,400
Always will be. Okay.

531
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:44,700
Thank you.

532
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,280
What I meant to say was she couldn't
have done it by herself.

533
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,460
She couldn't have known how to hold the
knife or what it would feel like when

534
00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:01,460
you push it into someone.

535
00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:03,570
The soft belly.

536
00:34:04,270 --> 00:34:05,290
The bony throat.

537
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:08,770
A very specific skill set.

538
00:34:10,330 --> 00:34:12,670
And who do we think helped her navigate
all that?

539
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:17,050
Who had that right set of skills?

540
00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:18,489
I did.

541
00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:21,969
It wasn't very hard.

542
00:34:23,449 --> 00:34:24,449
Guards are easy.

543
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:26,150
They use their phones.

544
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:27,810
I had a plan.

545
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:31,790
I just needed someone to help me carry
it out. You know, Ruby works best.

546
00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:37,130
being directed no henry i think she did
this alone i think she broke into these

547
00:34:37,130 --> 00:34:41,710
people's houses and she stabbed them she
kind of done anything without me so

548
00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:43,650
you're the mastermind yes i am

549
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,020
You got one thing right.

550
00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:07,900
Ruby didn't kill these people. A man
named Philip Wingate did. He's the

551
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:13,000
mastermind. And you are a cautionary
tale at best.

552
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,920
You're nothing.

553
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Now we both know it.

554
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:30,580
If I tell you what I know, will you come
back to see me? It's too late.

555
00:35:33,069 --> 00:35:34,370
Goodbye. I know him.

556
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:36,770
I know of him, technically.

557
00:35:37,330 --> 00:35:41,410
And I can tell you about it if you
promise, and I mean really promise, to

558
00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:43,330
back and see me every now and again.

559
00:35:47,610 --> 00:35:50,710
What you tell me is actually helpful.

560
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:53,630
I'll come visit you.

561
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:57,390
I get a bunch of fan letters.

562
00:35:57,850 --> 00:35:59,110
Never read them, but...

563
00:36:00,110 --> 00:36:04,190
I know a ton of them came from someone
who signed them as P .W.

564
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:17,590
Judge's niece.

565
00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:18,830
Court reporter.

566
00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:22,670
Next I say hello to childhood doctor.

567
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,000
Philip is going after the doctor that
Henry saw when he was a kid.

568
00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:36,660
He's going after Wong.

569
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,100
Oh, he's already here.

570
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:49,779
Okay, go.

571
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:50,780
Now.

572
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,900
M .Y .P .D.! Go, go, go.

573
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,640
Move it.

574
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,520
All right, go on.

575
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,360
Are you all right?

576
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:05,640
I'm sorry.

577
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,678
Where'd he go?

578
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,180
He heard the sirens and he went out the
back.

579
00:37:11,380 --> 00:37:13,260
Okay, get an EMT in here now.

580
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,100
All right, all units, suspect is on
foot. Back exit. I repeat, back exit.

581
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:26,300
Stop right there.

582
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,640
Hey! No getaway driver, huh?

583
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,980
Guess you took her from me. She was
never yours to begin with.

584
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,320
Drop the knife.

585
00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:55,740
You're under arrest.

586
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:57,940
But I already got what I wanted,
Sergeant Rollins.

587
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:00,140
For Henry to see me.

588
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,600
I saw Henry.

589
00:38:03,340 --> 00:38:06,240
He didn't even know who you were until
we told him.

590
00:38:09,070 --> 00:38:10,070
Those letters?

591
00:38:10,110 --> 00:38:11,510
He never read them.

592
00:38:19,690 --> 00:38:20,710
Don't do it!

593
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:26,850
He

594
00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:35,190
can't

595
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:36,190
hurt anyone anymore.

596
00:38:37,230 --> 00:38:38,230
Including you.

597
00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:41,100
What happens now?

598
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,460
Given the circumstances, the DA is
willing to make you a deal.

599
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,140
Conspiracy in the third. You'll do five
years probation.

600
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:49,140
The first year will be inpatient rehab.

601
00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:53,400
But that deal only stands if you're
willing to agree to do something for us.

602
00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:01,500
So next time you're in a bad situation,
you call me.

603
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,800
Why?

604
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,520
Because I know what it's like to feel
stuck, Ruby. I know what it's like to

605
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,520
powerless.

606
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:16,960
The next time you feel that way, I'm
going to be there to help you with that.

607
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:36,180
She's the one who helps her.

608
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:37,840
Hey, sorry to interrupt.

609
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:44,210
Nosy. Just nosy. How are you, Doctor?

610
00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:45,770
All right.

611
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:47,890
Recommitting to retirement.

612
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:50,310
Yeah. How about you?

613
00:39:50,850 --> 00:39:52,990
You know, just getting back to normal.

614
00:39:56,370 --> 00:40:02,070
Well, I'm grateful for your
insubordination, if that helps to break

615
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:06,990
Does not.

616
00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:08,350
Hey.

617
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:10,050
Thank you.

618
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:11,840
Of course. Talk soon?

619
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,220
Yeah, talk soon.

620
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,780
Amanda, be well.

621
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:24,240
Liz, I just want to say, apologize if
you don't mean it.

622
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,840
I'm sorry I lost some of your trust.

623
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,580
I understand why you did what you did.

624
00:40:41,770 --> 00:40:47,650
the same way you understand that you
will never do it again.

625
00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:51,010
All right?

626
00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:52,390
Deal.

627
00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:58,530
And hopefully that's the last time we'll
ever have to think about Henry Messner

628
00:40:58,530 --> 00:40:59,530
again.

